I now run serato on my Macbook Pro Retina which works perfectly but only having one laptop with me is allways kinda a sketchy. You never know if a drunk idiot might empty a beer over the dj-booth or something like that. So I also carry a Win 7 laptop. But if Serato had a Linux distribution I could set up a machine that is only set up for DJing.

And it would run extremely stable. The Ubuntu Studio OS is very stable and is very fast on even pretty old laptops. Are there more people than me who wants a Linux-distribution for Serato? Unfortunately this will never happen. The juice is simply not worth the squeeze.

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Serato knows that there is just not enough money to be made here for quite a few reasons but the most obvious being Linux users are few & far between as you can tell by clicking on that same post DJ Easy Eddie posted. Speaking of money Linux users generally are not the money spending type as Linux is known for its free software availability and Serato is far from that. One quick example again is found on that same post linked above.

Someone mentions how it is making headway in the DJ arena with mixxx. The term 'headway' should be used very loosely there and any/all progress being made is only due to the fact that mixxx is free. One of the advantages of Linux is being able to squeeze more performance out low performance machines. Although I agree that that is a huge advantage if you don't have the money to dish out for a quality machine it is know that Serato does not condone trying to run any Serato software machine on low performance machines which Linux users are notorious for purchasing. Just remember Serato releases their software supporting Mac because that is the machine of choice in the music production arena and they release software supporting windows because it brings in a ton of cash.

What is the selling point for releasing Serato for Linux be? Again Serato is a business so this selling point needs to be that much stronger being its coming from a community known for its money saving philosophy. I love Linux but I'm afraid deejdave is right. I've never had any hope for Linux when it comes to companies that charge for their software. It just isn't worth the financial investment. They would likely have to hire an entirely new team of developers just to work on this.software developers have a huge salary to pay.

They probably wouldn't make enough money to lay the developers alone. You could try wine etc but I have doubts over it working.

As for Mixxx.sorry but it's terrible. Doesn't even work. I've tried it over several different Linux distributions.

DJ'ing has never been something that is cheap to do and it most likely never will be so your best bet if you're wanting a laptop just for DJ'ing, is to purchase one. Quote: I now run serato on my Macbook Pro Retina which works perfectly but only having one laptop with me is allways kinda a sketchy. You never know if a drunk idiot might empty a beer over the dj-booth or something like that. So I also carry a Win 7 laptop. But if Serato had a Linux distribution I could set up a machine that is only set up for DJing. And it would run extremely stable.

The Ubuntu Studio OS is very stable and is very fast on even pretty old laptops. Are there more people than me who wants a Linux-distribution for Serato? Ok there is a linux program out there call linux zorin it has a built in program called wine to run windows base programs try installing zorin on your laptop an then installing serato. Quote: +1 Go Linux! How much would you pay?

Seriously: 'feature requests' like 'gimme a Linux version' are an example of why some software developers give themselves permission to take end-users with a grain of salt. I would definitely give a donation for that. Although i would have to wonder why the Win and Mac Versions are free and the Linux Version would not be.

Seriously: Nowadays all three major plattforms should be included. Look at how Valve does it with Steam. So this is at the moment my only 'feature request'. I dont get your point. Only because your OS is free and open source it does not mean that the software your running on it is also. For example i bought alot of games on Steam last year since more games are coming to linux.

They are not free and they have DRM protection through Steam and they are running on a free and open OS. The other thing is Serato does not get anything from Windows or Mac users either. It goes to Microsoft and Apple. PS: Serato DJ on a Playstation would be cool:D Why not use older hardware if its running with an OS using less resources.

Quote: PS: Serato DJ on a Playstation would be cool:D Why not use older hardware if its running with an OS using less resources. Why not use higher spec'd hardware that is ahead of its time? If SDJ has a minimum spec why not do you best (within your budget) to double even triple those specs? Who wants to ride the line or even attempt to tweak beyond specs? I've seen what it is capable of and I've seen 'frankenstein' computers come back to life right before my eyes...

I just would NEVER trust one of these to be the basis of my craft or even worse career. I am not saying Linux users don't spend money. They eat everyday don't they? I am saying a fact that comes with the territory. When you have User A utilizing an OS (or OS's) that are NOT free and they typically involve more expensive hardware VS.

An OS that IS free and utilizes just about anything (many of which is free as well) which do you think would be the better target to make money off of? Don't think this is a Linux bashing session. As I said my own father LOVES his linux.

I'd be bashing my own father. I will also say that even my father has a separation of what he will and won't use Linux for. Please understand bottom line I am not trying to insult anyone. I am simply saying this is my best guess as to why Serato would not have tried to move on this idea. If I am wrong then please tell me why you think they have not? They are a business after all and if there is money to be made there as you say PLEASE by all means tell me why a business would NOT do so? I honestly can see no other reason.

With how readily available ALL the resources are I would hope you don't think it is because they can't. I understand this is a touchy subject but let's keep things civil as we have been and I thank you ahead of time for doing so. I am always open for alternative views & aspects so I welcome debating.

I just remind that even when i do not agree with the idea I always try to respect the person. I hope you can relate to this as thus far it seems so. Quote: I think it makes no difference. If i buy a SL3 DVS package Serato could care less on which OS i run the software. The extras like Effects or Pitch'nTime i buy as a plugin for the software, not for the OS. Serato cares only about the software licensing fee they made on the SL3. The profits on the hardware got to Rane.

Also Serato may not care too much on which OS but you should. Again I am not trying to say they benefit any on the OS itself. I am once again speaking on the territory. In the end one question remains. What I have brought up is a well though out (IMO) and very real issue that in my experience has typically been directly tied to Linux users. I am not trying to stereotype but I can explain on what will be the norm. As you (and I) have said you can put Linux on just about any machine.

Why would anyone take a perfectly good working OS, remove it, and use Linux instead. What are the actual benefits. Obviously it is not universal use as you frequently run into Software that will not support it (as it is not considered Mainstream) so what are the real benefits if it is not financial in nature?

We are getting a little lost here as I feel you may be receiving a stronger or different message than I am stressing. Again I am not speaking against the use of Linux. I am all about it actually. There are VERY real benefits with using Linux. These benefits are pretty huge too IMO.

What I am arguing is the practicality of Serato supporting Linux. I bring up the money reason. This is the largest as Serato in the end IS a business.

Do you truly feel from a business perspective that Serato would be wise to invest into the support of Linux? Remember they do NOT make any money from the OS but they absolutely make money off the users of these OS's. I feel like if they decided to do this the geniuses who use Linux would have the software be open source within a week LOL. You can NOT deny the caliber of person who uses Linux LOL.

Don't even try to deny that the typical user of Linix is a typically advanced person in nature. BTW you speak of recently venturing into games with Linux. How has that been as a whole.

No issues or anything. I mean obviously this does not mean it will work for everyone but I am curious. Also what is your hardware set you are using? Quote: Another point is that they would have an advantage over Traktor. The Traktor forums are also full with people asking for Linux versions. At the moment at least the soundcards of Traktor have linux drivers so you can use them with other software there.

I can NOT argue with this. I guess it becomes an object of weighing out advantages Vs. Also to go a step further has anyone here actually written a letter or e-mail to Serato asking directly what their thoughts on this are? If you ask will they etc. You will be presented with 'make a feature request' but has anyone actually asked if they CAN? Maybe it's a simple object of not having the know-how or resources. As I said earlier I refuse to believe they can't as a whole (as nothing is impossible) but what about being able to at their present level with their current staff?

Quote: In another thread someone from Serato wrote that they had no experience with Linux so far. I suppose this becomes an issue of the juice being worth the squeeze I suppose.

Perhaps a kickstarter or alternate crowd funding third party resource. It would also be a GREAT way to ultimately find out what kind of supporters there out there and it would certainly tell beforehand whether these supporters are willing to ante up. Thus far there has not been much support or 'backers' but this could VERY much be due to things only being talk and speculation thus far. Bringing it to a preliminary funding level makes things a little more real so it could shine some light either way here. In other words if there is the actual want (as in willingness to pay) or no actual interest once the concept of money is brought up. I say go for it.

Not for nothing being all about Serato and completely agreeing with your earlier comment (of this being an edge for Sertao) I would absolutely back this personally. I'm sorry but some opinions on this post are very far away from reality. I'm a Linux user and the reason I run Linux is because it is *rock solid*. When it comes to reliability and making best use of my hardware, there is nothing better. By the way, I do not run it on cheap laptops, but on top notch laptops that are as good as Apple's hardware. I would be quite happy to pay for Serato to run it on Linux.

And I may even pay a premium price. Do not confuse the 'Free and Open Source' principle on Linux with users that do not want to pay for software. The 'Free' in there refers to freedom and the fact that Linux users love software they can read the code, improve, modify and share with the world. I respect Serato has got a business model that depends on software licenses and keeping its code proprietary. Not my preferred choice, but I accept other people's choices. I'd be definetelly a happier customers if you did not force me to run Mac OS or Windows.

Could we get someone from Serato to consider porting it to Linux? It might not be such a big stretch as you think. Quote: I'm sorry but some opinions on this post are very far away from reality. I'm a Linux user and the reason I run Linux is because it is *rock solid*.

When it comes to reliability and making best use of my hardware, there is nothing better. By the way, I do not run it on cheap laptops, but on top notch laptops that are as good as Apple's hardware.

I would be quite happy to pay for Serato to run it on Linux. And I may even pay a premium price. Do not confuse the 'Free and Open Source' principle on Linux with users that do not want to pay for software. The 'Free' in there refers to freedom and the fact that Linux users love software they can read the code, improve, modify and share with the world.

I respect Serato has got a business model that depends on software licenses and keeping its code proprietary. Not my preferred choice, but I accept other people's choices. I'd be definetelly a happier customers if you did not force me to run Mac OS or Windows. Could we get someone from Serato to consider porting it to Linux? It might not be such a big stretch as you think. So porting SDJ, Isotope fx, Serato Video, Pitch n Time, Club kit, DVS, and hardware support for over 60 units then? Seems like a mighty big job to me, especially since they have no previous experience in Linux?

And how many are actually using/considering using Linux for Live DJing/music production? What would that market look like? Please enlighten me, as I don't know that much about the current linux user base. I do have previous experience in unix systems (highend IRIX- SGI machines) quite a few years back, they were rock solid, but not very user friendly at the time. Would love to know what the current state is in the linux camp! I spoke with the mixxx team ages ago and my understanding was that Linux was difficult because it didn't have a 1 size fits all dedicated sound API.

Neither the machine code, nor primary software layer would be the big hold up. It would be the sound API. I've gotten mixxx to work just fine on any machine compiling from source. It's got a learning curve, but it works. I don't think we'll see Serato for Linux until a dedicated sound API crops up. Hell, these cats won't even CPU optimize let alone touch that mess. It's a simple question of numbers and cost/benefit.

Same reason a lot of manufacturers of audio-system DSP units (Ashly, EAW, others) don't provide Mac OS versions of their software-interfacing tools. The numbers just aren't there. What I do find a lot more likely, as hardware horsepower continues to advance to the point where super cheap mini mainboards/CPU's have more horsepower than could possibly be needed for the tasks DJ software is called upon to do: 'Embedded' systems, built into controllers/mixers/brainwave interfaces/whatever that are running Linux. For a purpose built system like that, not requiring a 'general purpose OS', it makes total sense. Quote: What I do find a lot more likely, as hardware horsepower continues to advance to the point where super cheap mini mainboards/CPU's have more horsepower than could possibly be needed for the tasks DJ software is called upon to do: 'Embedded' systems, built into controllers/mixers/brainwave interfaces/whatever that are running Linux. For a purpose built system like that, not requiring a 'general purpose OS', it makes total sense. This, I think I read somewhere that the internal software of the Pioneer CDJ's are unix/linux?

Has anyone seen what Qbert and NI are doing with the new Intel Edison processor? I want to figure out a way to do this with Serato DJ and the NS7-III. I could keep it in the coffin and just plug in a USB drive and use the built in screens on the NS7-III to see what's going on in SDJ. Wouldn't need the laptop anymore.

If I wanted to search for a track, I could use my phone or tablet via WiFi or Bluetooth. The Edison processor could change the game. So I welcome Linux support for Serato DJ as well as the NS7-III.

That would be amazing. Guys, I think your all missing the obvious! But first; I have been using Scratch live for many years with the trusty old SL1. Along the way I bought a Novation Twitch control surface and tried out Itch. (What a disappointment that was.) So back to the SL1 with nice new CDJ1000s to replace the Technics 1200s. Last year a firmware update to the SL1 in a new S/Live software release caused a distortion product at the high frequencies on the thru ports and the only comment to my post looking for a way to regress to the previous firmware due to the distortion it was causing was 'go into the settings screen and make sure you have it set to CD and not phono'.

I won't tell you my thoughts about that. I then started playing with my Twitch & SL1 and Linux DJing tools.

I tried many and found that Mixxx was not bloody bad. It recognised the SL1 and I could use the Serato time code CD to play and mix tracks. Twitch also worked with some work to map each of the controls. Anyhow, it was still a bit clunky to use live. (and I still hate the sound that Twitch produces) And Itch was not an option due to my dislike of Twitch so I went out and purchased a Pioneer DDJ-SX2 as it came with Serato DJ. I very much liked my new toy, but after only 2 days of practice I got up on stage (Quite drunk as it was New Years) and played my worst set ever. (Don't think you know how to use a new control surface till you've done it in an altered state).

I then turned some time back to Linux focusing on Serato DJ and attempting to use various tools to install the MAC version (After all OSX is Unix based so how hard could it be?), and failed miserably. However I did find that the latest version of Mixxx to be rock solid once I spent the time MIDI mapping both the DDJ-SX2. I also found a map for the Twitch that someone else had spent many hours on that made me think twice about that surface, plus Serato DJ now supports it in a feature rich way.

But as I still hate the sound Twitch produces it is only a toy as far as I'm concerned. Mixxx is great for free DJing software and works rock solid on my high spec MacBook Air running Ubuntu as native boot, however it is seriously lacking in features compared to Serato DJ, so I am forced to boot into OSX to play. However that meant I must use my MacBook as my other laptop is an Linux only machine; or did it! Now I've vented about the great support comments I received about my SL1 issue (Granted it was past end of life) and how I dislike Twitch & Itch, and my god awful new years gig with my flashy new DDJ-SX2 and Serato DJ, I'll tell you how to use Serato DJ on a well spec'd Linux laptop. Simply install a fantastic (and Free) virtualization software hosting program called VirtualBox, create a VM of your own specification then install windows (or OSX if you have the inclination to fault find the many driver bugs you are faced with during the initial install) and install Serato DJ/ Scratch Live or any other software you like in the new virtual machine, make sure you map the USB appearance of the control surface and sound card/s from the host to the VM correctly and it is rock solid. (The key to a happy VM is a host with plenty of RAM) I use this method on an ASUS laptop running UBUNTU and I have 2 VirtualBox VMs I can start.

(1 Win10 development (also free ATM) and the other OSX Yosemite) and have no hesitation running Serato DJ using either VMs with my DDJ-SX2 connected playing my Prog Psy or GOA sets live to the drug infused hippy masses. So now none of you Linux fans have a reason to bug the developers at Serato about releasing a Linux version any longer leaving them to continue on the path to greatness in the world of leading edge DJ software tools. (But I am still pissed about my SL1). Happy playing. May you all have better Gigs than my new year 2015 gig:) Cheers! Well to get any stability out such a venture you would have to fork a distro and build the OS around the application I think. The second issue is you would need have to maintain and entire code base repository for the app and the forked distro.

This isn't a light undertaking. Granted they could port SDJ to.deb or.rpm package but getting the right deps in conjunction with hardware might be problematic. Serato's take has always been to try keep it as stable as possible. I just don't think they have the time and resources to do that on a linux platform especially at the speed some distros evolve.

The other issue is they don't want to release their source code back to the community to develop this either.and for damn good reason. Yeah, its a nice idea.

It probably would work great once ironed out but from a business standpoint it doesn't look financially or logistically feasible to do that. Though the idea of running Serato on a Gentoo or Arch build does seem like a wet dream for us tux heads out here. I have personally given up on the 'business standpoint' argument LOL. I agree with you 100% but the users interested in this generally think (or at least say they think) that this would be a wise venture for Serato. I always bring up 'Is the juice worth the squeeze' with just about EVERY idea, concept & feature request on this forum and this one to me seems like LOTS of squeezing with about 5 or 6 drops of juice.

By no means meant to be insulting. Beamer App Keygen Generator more. It is meant to be realistic. What BrettSki brought up seems to work for him and could potentially be a temporary (or permanent) fix for anyone interested in this. Hiya Lightning, I think you may have missed my point. I attempted to port the OSX version, but quickly come to the decision it was pointless as the pain I would have to have gone through to get it working (if at all) would have only got me a short term benefit as everytime a new release of SDJ was issued I would have to go through the same process. That's when I decided a Virtual Machine running an operating system supported by SDJ was the go.

This is not reinventing the wheel, it just means I allocate some of my physical machines resources to create a virtual machine, and just like buying a new PC with nothing loaded I started the VM and installed an operating system. I have run VMs with various OS' in the past and the only one I have ever had any sort of issue getting up and working is OSX due to its non-standard implementation of EFI; but it is doable. Windows in particular just installs and works like a physical machine. Once it's setup and working it is just an icon on my UBUNTU desk top that when clicked starts a windows session in screen. If you click full screen it just fills the screen and looks and feels like Windows (because it is), but you can minimise it and continue to use UBUNTU as normal with the VM running in the background. The bonus is that the VM is a single file that you can easily backup or export as an OVA (Opensource Virtual Appliance) and import into another instance of VirtualBox or VMware (and probably other virtualisation S/W).

Meaning it is easy to move your SDJ setup exactly as is to any other machine by importing the OVA you created. VirtualBox is an Oracle product and can be installed in Win, OSX, most Linux distros, BSD, &&&. Yeah I know that it's defeating the purpose of developing SDJ as a working Linux package, but the flexability of having a machine built specifically for running your music software is what we all want as if you use it to perform live there is always the paranoia that the update you last installed may introduce the dreaded freeze mid performance.

This way, you create a backup before any upgrades. This buckup that can itself be another bootable VM so if you have issues with the upgraded version, simply start the backup VM and your off and running again. With the high spec of machines these days you do not need to be tight allocating physical machine resources to a VM so they nice and fast. There are data centres all over the world where businesses have their web servers, mail servers, etc hosted/operated by companies like telecommunication providers, google, etc. Do you think they are warehouses with server after server for each company that pays to have their website or mail server provided by the operator: Not these days, as in today's datacentres there are racks and racks of 'blade' chassis that are scalable by adding a new card or 'Blade' that contains more processors, memory, etc to the host chassis. These host chassis are running multiple VMs, so this technology is well developed and works without issues.

And guess what, as much as 90% of the chassis base operating system is Linux. Sun Microsystems (one of the most used commercial server in the world for communication networks, internet servers, etc) was purchased by Oracle some years back and Oracle maintain the SUSE linux distro (OpenSUSE is the opensource version) running that on all their servers. What I have done to overcome software availability for Linux is tried and tested, fully scalable (you can add more RAM to the host and allocate more RAM to the VM in the settings, you can allocate an extra processor core from the host to the VM if you find it's running a bit slow) and easily transferable between hardware and host operating systems. I have a few laptops, one in particular is my Macbook Air that I have multiboot (Win8.1, UBUNTU, OSX) and that works great, but to start a different OS I need to shutdown the one I am using first. With VMs I just click on an icon.

Tum Ek Gorakh Dhanda Ho Mp3 Song Free Download. Hi maarawoe, Wine is clunky, requires extra drivers, needs constant attention to keep working. I have not tried it with SDJ, but due to other software experiences I wouldn't trust it live.

VMs are easy, VirtualBox is free, and everyone has a version of Win something laying around they can install in the VM so yes it works for me, but you don't need to be an expert to make it work for you either! Happy Friday:). Quote: Sun Microsystems (one of the most used commercial server in the world for communication networks, internet servers, etc) was purchased by Oracle some years back and Oracle maintain the SUSE linux distro (OpenSUSE is the opensource version) running that on all their servers. The oracle bought Sun and so obtained Solaris (SUSE!= Solaris).

Oracle also made its own fork of the RHEL ->OEL Oracle enterprise linux. SUSE and OpenSUSE does have nothing in common with Oracle and these are owned and developed by SUSE company directly. Quote: VMs are easy, VirtualBox is free, and everyone has a version of Win something laying around they can install in the VM so yes it works for me, but you don't need to be an expert to make it work for you either!

Not exactly true - VM does bring additional performance overhead to your computer as the computing power is splitted. To be reliable, you can dedicate only 50% of your computers power to the virtual machine, to avoid performance issues on the host system, slowing down the guest as well. Moreover, SSD is a must otherwise the hdd is heavily spinning, serving tasks for two systems.

When talking about virtualizing the windows, they are not the lightest software so unless you have quite strong hardware, the better but harder way is to do a dual boot. The idea to run a windows VM inside linux is a bit rediculous. First off, the whole idea of using linux is that windows is not stable enough for serato, that's why everyone uses mac. Secondly, running winblows in a VM with either VM ware or virtualbox greatly reduces performance, adds delay, etc. Thirdly, as the only OS remotely close to as stable as linux is MAC - it's fair to note that Mac is not supported in any virtual environment. I've gotten it to work on VMware using some edits, but it still has the same decreases in performance (not usable in a club environment, pops, distortion etc) as winblows does in a virtual environment. The idea of having a linux port is to allow us users who have already shelled out money to serato or want to in the future to have an OS that they have control over the stability and the flexibility to build with their own high quality hardware (aka, not just buy a locked down Mac which is the only realisitic club solution to date) Please stop making excuses serato.

It's been years, this is getting rediculous. Quote: The idea to run a windows VM inside linux is a bit rediculous. First off, the whole idea of using linux is that windows is not stable enough for serato, that's why everyone uses mac. Secondly, running winblows in a VM with either VM ware or virtualbox greatly reduces performance, adds delay, etc. Thirdly, as the only OS remotely close to as stable as linux is MAC - it's fair to note that Mac is not supported in any virtual environment. I've gotten it to work on VMware using some edits, but it still has the same decreases in performance (not usable in a club environment, pops, distortion etc) as winblows does in a virtual environment.

The idea of having a linux port is to allow us users who have already shelled out money to serato or want to in the future to have an OS that they have control over the stability and the flexibility to build with their own high quality hardware (aka, not just buy a locked down Mac which is the only realisitic club solution to date) Please stop making excuses serato. It's been years, this is getting rediculous. Quote: The idea to run a windows VM inside linux is a bit rediculous. First off, the whole idea of using linux is that windows is not stable enough for serato, that's why everyone uses mac. Secondly, running winblows in a VM with either VM ware or virtualbox greatly reduces performance, adds delay, etc. Thirdly, as the only OS remotely close to as stable as linux is MAC - it's fair to note that Mac is not supported in any virtual environment.

I've gotten it to work on VMware using some edits, but it still has the same decreases in performance (not usable in a club environment, pops, distortion etc) as winblows does in a virtual environment. The idea of having a linux port is to allow us users who have already shelled out money to serato or want to in the future to have an OS that they have control over the stability and the flexibility to build with their own high quality hardware (aka, not just buy a locked down Mac which is the only realisitic club solution to date) Please stop making excuses serato. It's been years, this is getting rediculous. +666 Linux is finally getting there as a real OS contender for other people than the computer-nerds. There are more and more software and hardware beeing made for it so why not Serato? Lotta people here that aren't developers for linux or bsd saying a lot of stuff that just isn't true about linux development. First of all, if you can run it under BSD (OSX) then you can port it to linux.

All the libraries and utilities are there. Also, porting from windows to linux is something I do in my day job all the time. Really, it's not that hard. Mostly I think this is a support issue, not a development issue. They don't have the expertise in house and support personelle like to be paid so they can afford silly things like rent and food, and frankly, if they're familiar with Linux, they probably aren't working front line support.

Using LLVM (Xcode) as part of the build process for Mac, it's trivial to output for linux / alsa at the same time. I've built stuff for LCS audio, Myer Sound and other big names, and frankly anyone that thinks this is really difficult clearly doesn't have a lot of programming chops in a multi platform environment. We're talking piping I/O to a differently named /dev/dsp, and use of SDL to render the same interface that directx is used for under windows. It's not rocket science, or really even a great deal of work. Really this comes down to support, that's it. If you offer it, you're gonna have support questions, and sadly with a lot of people moving to linux, there is a steep learning curve at first. Then there's drivers for the non-serato hardware.

That's where things get messy. Not in serato's ability to produce code, but in the third party hardware by Pioneer, Numark, etc. Writing device drivers isn't that hard if you understand hardware, but most folk in the programming world turn white when you talk about hardware I/O at that level. They learn one platform and that's it. Doesn't help that MS and Apple like to screw developers around on driver signing either. So Serato would have to support a whole bunch of third party drivers written by people that barely understand hardware, and a whole bunch of new users that don't understand ALSA or JACKd.

Third party application support is the killer in dev work because it's a support nightmare. Now me, personally, knowing the sound architectures of all these systems, I'd buy a RT linux version of serato all over again, hands down. But I very much doubt that someone who's not a hardware guy would be willing to shell out for everything all over again and be willing to write their own midi/mackie interpreter for some of the utter garbage that current gen controllers spit out. So this isn't so much a Serato porting issue as it is an everything else issue. And for whoever it was that griped about Mixxx above. It works fantastic, but you have to know what the heck you are doing and what a realtime kernel is.

It's quite primitive compared to Serato, but it works fine. I've had to use it live a couple of times when a machine packed it in on me courtesy of the ham fisted work of some overzealous roadies. Traktor doesn't work. I see that crap pack it on on people mid set about once a week. I still feel this is an issue of it straight up just not being worth it for Serato.

The time they would spend on this and get very little profit in return could be spent developing something less substantial yet impacting way more DJ's and netting more profit. I can appreciate the talent in people who do utilize this but the better DJ's in the world are so far involved in their craft that even their current OS's and hardware is a step beyond them.

There just isn't enough interest in this to warrant the work. Let's be honest when the number of unique users asking for this to date totals the amount of people asking for others features in one week/month alone it would probably be in Serato's best interest to go with the latter. If I am incorrect let the numbers do the talking for you. Start a petition and get some signatures. If you were able to get 500+ (unique) signatures I am certain Serato would put more interest in this and at the very least provide some insight as to the how's and why's.

This post is amusing. Serato can be ported to Linux with ease, any good developer which is not lazy could do it. I use both Windows and Linux, 99% of the time I'm booted into Linux and the 1% is simply to test binary builds for Windows. Linux is a very powerful OS with little overhead, which is why it is used for corporate servers, scientific environments and by serious programmers, it's also the reason why Valve created Steam OS as it will deliver better performance for games and other software. There are a few solutions to run Windows binaries on Linux with little to none performance drops, for VM, Qemu+KVM can be used if set up correctly, same applies for Wine. Other solutions linked to Wine is PlayOnLinux and Crossover which is a paid product.

Currently I'm using Wine for most of my Windows applications, in most cases getting better performance in games as well. For an audio driver I'm not using Jack, I'm using SDL instead which is mainly used in games development, however I'm getting a smooth latency at 2ms on DAW's i'm using. All Serato has to do is link the SDL libraries and build a Linux binary, it already has support for joystick input and possibly MIDI as well. A few game companies have switched to SDL, currently we are using it in a open source game engine as well which originally used DirectX.

The idea that people need expensive hardware is often ridiculous, the main issue is that they don't understand hardware nor can't even setup that hardware correctly in the bios and OS. I'm running an Intel socket 775 Celeron E3300 2,5ghz dual-core, 4GB Kingston DDR2 800 low latency and a cheap Geforce GT 630, so it's a really old system, other than the GPU.

With my CAS latency setup correctly and a overclock to 3,5ghz i'm getting smooth framerates of 60fps +- on games like Battlefield 4 on ultra settings. Mac OS is similar to Linux, so there shouldn't be a big issue to port Serato to Linux and last time I checked C and C++ works the same across all platforms and hardware. Restricting software to certain platforms will only drive potential customers towards a competitor which has support for other platforms. If Serato wants to be smart about the future, then they should consider building Serato for Linux and putting it on the Steam store, that way they already have access to a large community. Other Software developers already see the value in Steam and have already launched their products on the service. Another reason why Linux is a good choice for the future is that currently there is a high demand for programmers in the world and Linux wins hands down as the best platform for developers. Since the world is moving into the age of machine learning A.I, there will be a high demand for new developers to create software to calculate statistics, data mining servers, physics calculations and HSA enabled multimedia applications.

So there will be somewhat a bigger shift in the education sector to use Linux and the main OS. Valve is investing in bringing more applications onto the Linux platform, which means more younger generations will start using it as it is free, modifiable and secure. There is no point in sticking to proprietary OS's which is currently turning into spyware/keylogging systems to squeeze out profit from private data. So Serato invest in Linux, look at Simple Direct Layer and possibly also OpenCL to improve on latency. Great product, love it, just don't want to boot into Windblows, it's too bloated with unnecessary processes.

DerpGoose, can't agree with you more. Its absolutely true that the situation around linux changed significantly over the last few years.

Its not a system for geeks any longer but system you buy a new laptop with, surprisingly supported by applications etc., more friendly to the non tech users than win in my opinion. The problem is, that its mostly ignored by self confident software companies, because the sector where they are selling software for years, is simply using win or osx, just because it always been so.-why should they change anything when they know they will keep selling.? Mainly the audio software is massively ignoring linux for an unknown reason, ignoring the fact that their applications would be much more stable there, getting another level of performance.

I am having win pc just because of the audio software and vst - most of the time (work && home) I am on linux. Not only because its my job, but because it simply works without any performance overhead caused by some background tasks the system decided he needs to do right now, taking my precious cpu time. The time has changed and linux should be taken seriously even more when porting the application is not difficult, opening the application to the new segment of users. I agree with you guys, but remember as I pointed out above, it's not really a development cost issue as it is a support cost issue. If their in house support and dev teams are unfamiliar wih the platform it means brining in another developer or support person that likes things like food and rent money, and then there is the support nightmare of trying to get the average 'shmo to figure out how to use it on an system which for many is still unfamiliar. There's also the issues that come with hardware drivers to get the unlock key from each of the hardware controllers they support.

So the basic binary would be trivial to port, but that's only the START of the costs. If linux makes more in roads into pro audio with more adoption of ardour, or soundgarden, or even better plugin integration with platforms like LMMS, then I can see it happening but there has to be that critical mass that will pay for it to cover the costs of bringing on a full time unix/linux dev. Can they sell enough units per year to cover it? Also, let's be really frank. MOST users are not techs or audio engineers. They are bedroom DJs that want something to go with their macbook. Sorry to say, but that's true of almost any pro software.

90% of the sales are to people that use less than 10% of the features, and it's those guys that really pay for development. I really love linux and want it to be far more mainstream for the desktop, but if I were running a business for DJ software, I'd be really reluctant to take on linux right now, especially given how far Mixxx has come in recent years (the git repo, not the precompiled). It's one thing to be able to do something, it's quite another to successfully monetize it. Quote: Lotta people here that aren't developers for linux or bsd saying a lot of stuff that just isn't true about linux development. First of all, if you can run it under BSD (OSX) then you can port it to linux.

All the libraries and utilities are there. Also, porting from windows to linux is something I do in my day job all the time. Really, it's not that hard. Mostly I think this is a support issue, not a development issue.

They don't have the expertise in house and support personelle like to be paid so they can afford silly things like rent and food, and frankly, if they're familiar with Linux, they probably aren't working front line support. Using LLVM (Xcode) as part of the build process for Mac, it's trivial to output for linux / alsa at the same time. I've built stuff for LCS audio, Myer Sound and other big names, and frankly anyone that thinks this is really difficult clearly doesn't have a lot of programming chops in a multi platform environment. We're talking piping I/O to a differently named /dev/dsp, and use of SDL to render the same interface that directx is used for under windows.

It's not rocket science, or really even a great deal of work. Really this comes down to support, that's it. If you offer it, you're gonna have support questions, and sadly with a lot of people moving to linux, there is a steep learning curve at first. Then there's drivers for the non-serato hardware. That's where things get messy. Not in serato's ability to produce code, but in the third party hardware by Pioneer, Numark, etc. Writing device drivers isn't that hard if you understand hardware, but most folk in the programming world turn white when you talk about hardware I/O at that level.

They learn one platform and that's it. Doesn't help that MS and Apple like to screw developers around on driver signing either. So Serato would have to support a whole bunch of third party drivers written by people that barely understand hardware, and a whole bunch of new users that don't understand ALSA or JACKd. Third party application support is the killer in dev work because it's a support nightmare. Now me, personally, knowing the sound architectures of all these systems, I'd buy a RT linux version of serato all over again, hands down.

But I very much doubt that someone who's not a hardware guy would be willing to shell out for everything all over again and be willing to write their own midi/mackie interpreter for some of the utter garbage that current gen controllers spit out. So this isn't so much a Serato porting issue as it is an everything else issue.

And for whoever it was that griped about Mixxx above. It works fantastic, but you have to know what the heck you are doing and what a realtime kernel is. It's quite primitive compared to Serato, but it works fine. I've had to use it live a couple of times when a machine packed it in on me courtesy of the ham fisted work of some overzealous roadies. Traktor doesn't work. I see that crap pack it on on people mid set about once a week. Excellent explanation!

Excuse my late reply. I completely agree with the issue of cost and having to hire devs to work on Linux. Getting the hardware guys to write drivers for Linux is usually a major issue, unless they release the schematics of the hardware which some companies do, then community drivers can be written. @Maarawoe I know exactly what you mean about Windows hogging resources for tasks.

I've found that tweaking Windows helps a lot, I've lowered my Windows 10 resource usage from 600-1000mb to 200mb using some tweaks. I'd suggest taking a look at and Razer Cortex, also lowering some Windows effects. Amazingly enough the same tweaks on my other system running Windows Vista runs the OS in just 35 mb. First I have to state, that I did not read the full thread. Too long for a new SDJ user. But I want to give my view on it as an system engineer working for an enterprise linux distributor.

First, there is no desktop market for linux up to now. My wild guess is that the deployment percentage is in the single digit area. That market then is splitted into the several distributions. That gives you as vendor a support matrix headache. Even in server area software vendors don't like to do several flavor certifications for one OS.

Cause if you give support for something you need to have a corresponding QA matrix. That means manpower required. That means money to invest. Now set this in comparison to the market size in our target case desktop and DJing.

Next is the fact that there are several sound subsystems. Most is in meantime on alsa. So maybe this got better than in the past when I was working in support department focusing on soundcard issues. Back then we had 3 subsystems that were popular to use and some cards where supported on just one. But that should demonstrate what the benefit of open source is: You can have several solutions for one use case.

The bad side again is support. A vendor like Serato would need to define and select a configuration and subsystem they support. And trust me, even when you define this clearly you will get complaints why not to support other configs - did I tell you that I also did complaints management in support? Then have a look at desktops, there are several windowmanagers available in linux. From twm to desktop environments like Gnome or KDE.

Which one to support. Desktop environments then in addition do have typically meta sound systems to better handle concurring output request or mix them. What setup to support in that regards. Then look at the HW support. You would at least need the audio devices to be supported under alsa. But HW vendors, especially in specific markets like DJ Controllers, don't like open source that much.

Typically those devices use USB device category 255 meaning proprietary. So it's hard to get drivers for the controllers. This are the items that came up to my mind ad hoc. And they are all limiting the 'linux' target market for Serato. Like for all other music software vendors like Steinberg as an example. I would love to be able to run that on linux for my song writing, but I have to admit that there is no profit to get when considering all the aspects. Conclusion: Linux is not a target OS for music production software market.

At least not until now. Regards, Torsten. BitWig sounds interesting. Never heard of it before. But I did not reseach the music production market with a view on linux for a long time.

But by having a rough look at their page I found in their FAQ the issue of open source variety: ALSA and JACK is supported but they prefer JACK.:) It's nice to see solutions for the linux desktop. For me I don't want to learn another sequenzer/production system beside Cubase. I started there with Cubase 1.0 on ATARI ST:) My free time is so limited, so you don't want to waste time with adapting a new tool for a use case that you learned to handle with something you own and that is still available in the market. First and foremost- Serato makes a lot of their money on controller sales. You can buy serato dj but with the right controller it activates itself after the proper hardware is connected to the computer.

This business model is a very good way to combat piracy and sell more controllers. The program is for the most part free and installing the hardware is easy enough for the user. Given this strategy it would be in serato's best interest to expand the operating systems their software is compatible with. With more and more people asking about linux and trying it out serato will eventually make it's way to linux. It's a rock solid operating system that people are becoming less afraid of. -Yes linux is free but applications aren't. There are a lot of great programs that you can get for free on linux.

There are also a lot of paid programs that you can get. It's ignorant to assume that linux users don't want to pay for anything. Heck, nobody wants to pay for anything, that is why piracy is a thing across all operating systems everywhere. If serato didn't come stock with a lot of controllers, there would be more cracked versions of serato running.

-When serato comes to linux there will be a huge shift in the dj world. Linux is the best operating system between windows and osx. It's main issue is compatibility and people thinking you have to be a programmer to use it. Both of those things are starting to fade. Linux is completely free and once it has the same level of compatibility windows/osx does people will flock to it and never look back. -When linux becomes more accepted this shift will lead to more competitive development for other operating systems and companies giving users a better computer experience as well as better performance. This is what happens in any area of business.

People gravitate toward easier, cheaper, better performing solutions. -Serato would have to invest a lot of money to get things up an running with linux. But if they are the first to really mainstream it people would switch to linux just to get a rock solid serato machine. Just saying that in the same sentence makes me salivate. I know users would pay to get a version of serato on linux.

Quote: With more and more people asking about linux and trying it out serato will eventually make it's way to linux. I think you live in dream world fr0sty.

No posts in this thread since november last year, hardly qualifies as 'more and more people asking about linux'. Also consider that Serato would have to convince all the hardware partners to support Linux. Ie Rane, Pioneer, Denon, Numark, Akai, Reloop, Allen & Heath, Gemini, Korg, not counting the Vestax Legacy. And thats only the official hardware, then there's all kinds of other midi hardware, and the Serato Remote.

I mean, Rane still have issues with OSX 10.11.4 beta. Warpnote- This thread is by no means the front line of the linux quest. Yeah those companies would need to eventually join in as well to make everything compatible. Sersto could release one controller with a company that is specifically designed for linux along with a version of sersto that is designed for linux and see how it does.

This process would take years for more people to ask about linux. The number will only grow when more people get sick of windows and osx. When a large group of people start asking a company to work with them the company will listen. If more people continue to switch to linux then it will only be a matter of time.

A long time but it will happen. In the mean time i will just boot into windows at shows. Quote: If more people continue to switch to linux then it will only be a matter of time. A long time but it will happen. What do you base these assumptions on? From what I gather on from the net, the userbase is pretty small, and not growing much, if any at all.

->BTW, I'd like to make clear that I have nothing against Linux, back in the day I used to work in SGI IRIX systems, however, I really cannot see much potential for Serato in the Linux market, and I'd rather have them focus the development on the platforms they already support. I would like to see more support for windows as well. I still want to see a smooth 60fps frame rate on serato when using windows.

I never said there was a front line for linux. I said that this thread is one of many other places where people are asking. You said there wasn't much talk online. You are assuming there isn't If you really want to know, google it and find out for yourself. My logic- As the userbase for linux grows so will interest in popular programs. Serato being one of those programs.

Growth meaning people asking about linux/trying it out. I said the process(enough people asking about it) of integrating serato into linux will take years but it will happen eventually. When enough people ask about it, serato will listen.

Linux is gaining speed (speed=more users,curiousity at any given rate). Quote: My logic- As the userbase for linux grows This is where I think your logic is flawed: I cannot see a real growth in the user base over the last 5 years, and I really cannot see any evidence why it should grow very much the next 5 years either, unless there are some major breakthroughs.

And by that, I mean off-the-shelves-systems selling at least the tripple of the total current Linux userbase. If you google 'Serato Linux', 'Serato iOS' and 'Serato Android' you will clearly see that both Android and iOS have more hits. What does that tell you about your logic? You don't understand what I'm saying, Just sayin'.

Here is a link that has some stats on the number of machines that have each operating system. Where is osx in comparison to linux? Osx-7.6 linux-1.71 Say what you want about me guessing or your other google searches. Linux numbers will continue to rise as long as windows continues to suck and apple continues to charge a redic premium for their machines(among other things, I know I have to spell everything out for you at this point). People will eventually gravitate to cheaper, more efficient, better solutions. I know that 1.71 doesn't look like a lot of people. It equals out to around 80 million people give or take.

This number isn't the true number of users that could double as a dj since a lot of super computers and other professionals use linux as well. Not to say that they couldn't also be djs (which would be awesome). I'm saying that you can't ignore numbers. Millions of people already use linux and that number has grown a lot in the past year. If that number keeps rising because of irritated windows users then it will continue to overtake osx. Osx is a widely supported operating system.

So you are telling me that serato won't listen to growing number of people that are willing to pay to see serato run on linux? Your business logic is flawed. It cost millions of dollars to get serato to run on any operating system. So why make it at all?

Because of numbers. Serato doesn't care about the operating system, they care about what people use. They want to make it as easy as possible to buy/use their products. This is a very simple point. Your link showed an increase in users.

Please actually read the statistics before making any judgement on numbers. Linux is closing in on 2 percent of the market share. That's millions of users. As stated before the port of serato wouldn't be the hard part. The drivers and support are going to be much harder.

Linux already has a lot of help online. Whenever I have a question I go to google and almost every time I have a work around or solution in under 5 minutes. It takes work and some patience to work with linux.

It is soooo much more user friendly than before. That is a big hurtle to get the public to use a new operating system. Again, I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow or even a year from now. I'm saying that once the dj user base is there serato will port over linux and probably have some specific controllers to work with it at first. I would love to see this happen sooner rather than later. I would like to see a better version of serato for windows and then eventually linux support.

Linux is unique because it doesn't cost anything. It is getting stronger every day and gaining popularity. It will eventually force microsoft and apple to step up their game once people really start converting.

Djs will never fully convert because the support is not there. Quote: Your business logic is flawed. Well, you might think so, but it is actually Serato's logic, not mine. And look where the other major players are: Ableton, Native Instruments, Pioneer, Denon, Numark etc. None of them seems to bother much about Linux, as the infrastructure just is not there.

Infrastructure (ie drivers & support) is crucial in the audio industry. True, there has been a slight increase over the years.

But you really need to see where the userbase is situated. Mostly it is seasoned IT professionals, VFX experts & computer savvy enthusiasts, the average user aren't really picking up Linux, they rather call support. I just said that. I have linux mint, it's child's play compared to what linux once was years ago.

It's going to eventually get to the point where it's as easy as windows/osx with certain distros. After a day or two pretty much anyone can use linux mint. I just explained serato's logic and i also said there are numbers of people that use linux for business or on super computers. If you wanted to count those people out then all the operating system numbers would fall due to people using the different operating systems for things other than djing. In comparison linux is still going to be small alongside other operating systems. I'm not arguing that the numbers warrant serato to pay very much attention for now. I'm saying for the umpteenth time, the numbers will get there in the future.

Linux will surpass osx in the coming years and probably consume windows in the process. So serato will have to support linux down the line.

At that time there will be an army or djs asking about it and eventually a lot of clubs, bars, and djs will switch their show computer to linux because it's better and free. More time will give linux better usability which will continue to break barriers between consumers and linux. We could even see computers starting to ship with linux for free rather than windows coming stock. That is going to take a long time. Ironically, if you use a phone, the internet, or many many other devices you already use linux.

This is getting off the topic of linux djs, I'm just saying that it will happen in the distant future if windows and osx continue to lag behind and not fix a lot of issues with their software/machines. That is one of the main reasons why people are curious about linux.

This will lead to more linux users, which will lead to more questions about linux and then more questions about serato being on linux. If 1.7 percent is somewhere around 80 million users, think about ten percent? Roughly 300-400 million people minus professionals using linux.

That is a huge number of people to ignore even after you take out professional linux use. Serato goes where the users/money is. Its a good business practice. When 10 or 100 million people want serato on linux serato would at the very least listen and do more research to see what it would take to make it happen. I'm getting tired of explaining that. It's the same reason why they support any operating system.

People use the operating system to begin with. Osx is at around 7 percent.

That is not that big compared to windows. Why support a measly 7 percent of their users? Because that 7 percent is hundreds of millions of users. I already stated everything you are saying in my posts.

It's going to take time for sure. We aren't talking about producing on linux. We are talking about serato, the dj program. One step at a time. I have a feeling any chance of this ever happening was just lost by this far fetched way of thinking. I have the utmost respect for Linux users and see its uses and even necessity in many areas of life but it is numbers of unique users asking for any given feature alone (not statistics and numbers that have nothing to do with DJ software) that increases the chances of seeing something become a reality here. I saw the activity for this thread in my notifications and I thought there actually had been a positive shift and I did not expect to see so much of the word 'when' thrown around which implies this is nothing but an attempt of fortune telling.

WHEN you have the numbers that count (as in unique users coming here and asking for this) I firmly believe Serato will listen and see what can be done. Just as an example: This post has been alive since 2013 and has 104 messages mostly by the same people with many of the posts being from people who disagree (I have around 10 myself alone LOL) Or you can choose the one linked in this thread above which has been open since 2009 with even less activity. Now compare those two (hell you can combine them if you choose) to this one which has over 300 posts by MANY users in less than THREE MONTHS!!!

Serato just announced yesterday that these users will be getting their wish. I have no more use for the latter feature I linked than I do a Linux version so trust I have no biased interest in seeing this happen either. I can just simply recognize the want/need when there is one. Plainly put until we see activity here at the forums (and I am talking REAL activity not this current thread which I am sorry to say is a fraction of a blip on the radar) this simply will not happen so again trust when I say. I'm getting so frustrated with so many issues with serato, i bought dj/sl3/62 to handle larger library, and for better sound quality, took everything to top level folders, then got constant drops, so now it's latency, all my dells have latency issues apparently, i've been supporting pcs for a decade and a half so i have followed and researched all fixes and tweaks, supposedly sorted latency, still getting drops, no events in windows event viewer. So i'm going to go back to win 7, scratch live on one machine, start using my 57 to see if it's the 62, even going to try linux on another machine and mixx as that can use serato control vinyl and hardware, but these endless problems and lack of decent support are starting to lose an early adopter who have invested a lot of time and money into this product.

I understand the though behind not wanting or not seeing the market potential of releasing a linux version of serato. Were I see the overall win for providing serato on linux is simply. For the rental or backup purpose. In terms of read write speeds of usb 3.0 it would be very possible to run serato off of a flash drive. The ability to boot into a machine that allows you to use your own settings, music, and organization on any laptop worldwide would greatly improve the reliability of the serato brand. Then again I don't know if the costs associated would make this feasible for serato to develop.

Quote: I'm a Linux user and the reason I run Linux is because it is *rock solid*. When it comes to reliability and making best use of my hardware, there is nothing better. By the way, I do not run it on cheap laptops, but on top notch laptops that are as good as Apple's hardware. I would be quite happy to pay for Serato to run it on Linux.

And I may even pay a premium price. Do not confuse the 'Free and Open Source' principle on Linux with users that do not want to pay for software. The 'Free' in there refers to freedom and the fact that Linux users love software they can read the code, improve, modify and share with the world. I respect Serato has got a business model that depends on software licenses and keeping its code proprietary. Not my preferred choice, but I accept other people's choices.

I'd be definetelly a happier customers if you did not force me to run Mac OS or Windows. I completely agree. Windows has always had stability issues when running SSL/SDJ. Mac is definitely more stable but it's vastly overpriced. I also don't like Apple's new Mac Book Pro approach. Apple seems to be removing more connections that are necessary for interfacing audio without much regard for the people who actually use their products. In general I would love a third option that Linux could provide.

On a side note, embedded technology is where Linux could really shine. Akai's upcoming MPC Live is reported to use an embedded Linux platform instead of Windows because of stability.

Quote: Linux audio solutions are going to have the same issues as any PC running Windows. You still have to deal with a million more hardware combinations and chipsets which is always what made Apple products easier to deal with as a developer. Love it or hate it, the limited selection means less bugs to squash. But keep hoping. Serato DJ isn't a complicated-enough piece of software for any of that to matter.

On top of that, if they can develop for Mac OS, they can do it for Linux since they're both children of UNIX. Deejdave - It seems to me that you believe that all users of linux must, by default, be doing so to keep their antique coal fired computers of yesteryear struggling on. Oh you are so wrong my friend. Yes linux can be great for saving you from camping outside a shop all night, followed by looking like a loon on tv as you blow the money for your food and electric bills on the latest thing with a flashy logo on it. Even though it probably doesn't do anything you need any better, but that bevelled edge is to die for! Linux is also excellent on new hardware.

Having a streamlined os that does what you want it to do, one that is not fillled with pointless bloat, is a revelation. So why not download one of the many excellent linux distros, pop it on a usb stick and fire up your amazing computer with it. Not only will you be suprised, you might even come over to the darkside!!! Well by reasons of necessity alone I would never do that due to the software I use not being supported and the fact I have no issues (performance or otherwise) with mu current solutions. That being said I don't deny its performance and customization advantages. That being said I have also seen it used as a last resort due to licensing & overall performance issues..

Due to bloating AND horrible policies YES but the fact remains. There is a huge difference between speaking of Linux and Linux/Serato. I 100% see the use and advantages of Linux but I can't sit here and say this would be a wise move for Serato regardless of whether it would work or not.

At the end of the day Serato is a business and this now becomes a new area to develop (port), market & support. Ultimately is the juice wort the squeeze? Judging by this thread and it's unique contributors would you say it would be worth Serato's time & money?

(half being naysayers let's honest).. Honest question. Yes linux is fairly niche, but growing all the time. Yes linux has, at present, a fairly erm. Chaotic approach to sound.

No open source does not prevent profit being generated, as closed source licences do interact with open operating systems (nvidia for example). Plus there are other models for generating income from your work, like charging for support.

Of course having the skills within the developer's staff is an issue, as is clear with the er somewhat different experiences of mac and pc serato dj users. Whether they should or should not is up to them, but my vote goes to trying. Would you be satisfied with an alpha type port where the framework structure (coding) is done but the small details would/could be figured out by end users? Also curious how much liability Serato would be responsible for? As in would you be OK with an at your own risk situation?

Not by ANY means trying to speak for them or make offers that have no substance but instead am trying to see just how involved this would be. Don't get me wrong. The fact that this (Serato) is even an interest to Linux users is a good thing and potentially being at the forefront of said users could never be a bad thing but what stands in the way are the logistics and reality of costs Vs. In other words... Is the juice worth the squeeze? One of my favorite questions as it basically defines my every move in everything I do LOL.

Quote: There are probably more people DJing off Android and iOS devices than Linux in ANY flavor. I'd rather see ports to those before Linux.

Android is linux. You can even run android apps in Ubuntu with ARChon It is based on the Linux kernel and you can run android apps on most platforms in a sandbox with no issues.

You can also run Serato DJ in Wine if you're a masochist, the question is why? Well, you wouldnt, you want to have something stable when it comes to live performance. Which is why we would want serato as a native application. And as for the cost effectiveness and not a big enough market being the reasons they why wouldn't do it IMHO shouldnt matter any longer.

Now i will give the counter argument credit as djing is still a niche job market and yes at that point your right they probably wouldnt make enough from the linux side of things, but if you actually look at the stats linux users out way mac users, now its not by much but its enough to see that linux and mac are very close with windows dominating the marketplace. Now why would they take a chance on mac if the average user uses windows as there main OS? Wouldnt it be wise to have a linux option as well since we technically out number macOS?

I mean i may just be talking out of my ass here but if there are people asking for it. Shouldnt it be something to consider? Sources: and. Quote: sources: and Less than 100 people in the history of this forum have mentioned it. In a niche market and you're using desktop share as a an indicator which leads us to the charts which say less than 3% are using LINUX while all flavors of OS X are ~10%. That's a really thin slice of the pie and then think about laptop users vs true desktop machines and the slice is even smaller.

OS X will always have the upper hand with a smaller market share due to known hardware configurations which makes that at least easier to develop for. Windows versions are a must simply because of the sheer number of possible users. Linux fits neither of these. The logic just isn't there for making a native Linux app. As a DJ and an IT System Administrator I use Linux to DJ.

Linux has a history of making solutions, being extremely stable, and being free in money cost but expensive in your time. I own copies of Traktor, PCDJ, Virtual DJ, and of course Serato. I also own and use all 3 platforms on a desktop level and a server level. My setup uses Virtual DJ with heavy mods on Debian. I am a Promo Only / POOL subscriber which also works great using Adobe AIR for Linux. That being said. If you want a cheap and stable solution for an older but spec worthy laptop.

Linux is not your answer unless you can debug and write code like me. Your answer is Windows. Go to your local refurb shop. Get a Cheap Win 7 Pro refurb copy. Look up and Google slipstreaming. It will allow you to strip your legal Windows install to the very bare minimum. Load it on your laptop with nothing but your favorite DJ program, MP3 tagging/rename software, laptop drivers, and DJ controller drivers.

No antivirus or internet. Use a USB device to load your song library.

Keep back up laptop up to date in the library. Do not do any Windows update.

Quote: Less than 100 people in the history of this forum have mentioned it. In a niche market and you're using desktop share as a an indicator which leads us to the charts which say less than 3% are using LINUX while all flavors of OS X are ~10%. That's a really thin slice of the pie and then think about laptop users vs true desktop machines and the slice is even smaller. OS X will always have the upper hand with a smaller market share due to known hardware configurations which makes that at least easier to develop for.

Windows versions are a must simply because of the sheer number of possible users. Linux fits neither of these. The logic just isn't there for making a native Linux app. I am suprised that it is such a small number, but you are right linux is niche. But technically serato does not really provide a native windows app either. Serato adapts its native mac app to work in windows.

As a previous post mentioned wine, it probably would not require much effort for Sertao Dj to work properly with wine? Quote: I am suprised that it is such a small number, but you are right linux is niche. But technically serato does not really provide a native windows app either.

Serato adapts its native mac app to work in windows. As a previous post mentioned wine, it probably would not require much effort for Sertao Dj to work properly with wine? Getting Serato to work in Linux isn't the main issue. The main issue is the drivers for the hardware. Good luck convincing Pioneer and InMusic to produce drivers for a market that virtually doesn't exist.

Quote: IGetting Serato to work in Linux isn't the main issue. The main issue is the drivers for the hardware. Good luck convincing Pioneer and InMusic to produce drivers for a market that virtually doesn't exist.quote]. Don't need hardware drivers in Linux.

As someone who owns more hardware than I need, as long as its class compliant (as most hardware is nowadays) or works as a HID device, it just works. Plug it in, map it and your good to go. For example, my AMX requires drivers to function in windows (not sure about mac but I'm going to assume you need the audio driver to be active to run with serato but I could be wrong here so.) but with Linux all I need to do is plug it in and select it as the main soundcard and boom it just works nothing more needed.

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